4 Real: A Commercial Real Estate Finance Podcast

4 Real is a podcast from Dechert LLP exploring the latest trends and developments in commercial real estate finance.

Join co-hosts Jon Gaynor, Sam Gilbert and Kate Mylod every month as they delve into current issues impacting both the legal and business aspects of real estate finance transactions, including lending, securitization and restructuring. Each episode features market commentary and interviews with industry thought leaders, providing listeners with valuable insights and practical advice, plus a little banter along the way.

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Latest Episode: Episode 32 — Calling Balls and Strikes: Batting it Around with Moody’s Dan Rubock

March 26, 2026 — In this episode of Dechert 4 Real, hosts Jon Gaynor and Sam Gilbert welcome Moody’s Ratings’ SVP and former Dechert lawyer Dan Rubock to the podcast for an in-depth look at his career shaping how the agency evaluates the legal architecture of CMBS deals. They also go extra innings on insurance risk, datacenters, Canadian CMBS and AI, and share some favorite sports memories.

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Dechert’s global finance practice provides a responsive, interdisciplinary, multi-jurisdictional team to address the complexities of modern finance transactions across categories and geographies. With more than 200 lawyers in the world’s major financial centers, our internationally recognized practice provides clients with innovative deal structuring, creative financing strategies and efficient execution. Our clients receive comprehensive solutions for all of their finance needs. By tapping into the breadth of Dechert’s expertise, we deliver advice on fund finance, real estate finance, structured finance, leveraged finance and securitization matters.

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